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Thorbjoern Mann:

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P u b l i c a t i o n s:

‘Time Management for Designers’
‘Abbé Boulah!’
‘The Fog Island Argument’
‘Building Economics for Architects’
Papers and essays on architecture,
information systems for design,
the assessment of arguments in design and planning,


Thorbjoern Mann
C o n s u l t i n g
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• Time management for designers and other creative people

The design discourse: Issues and arguments
The analysis and evaluation of arguments
in design, planning, policy-making discourse;
The structure of the design discourse;
Information support for design and planning (IBIS, APIS)

Architecture: Predesign Analysis:
New views on design, architecture, architectural programming, urban design:
Occasion and Image
Building Economics

Problem-solving
Systematic and intuitive approaches to ‘wicked problems’: ‘Ask Abbé Boulah!’


A r t
by Thorbjoern Mann
Unique, original ‘laqskin’ paintings
Drawings,
Doodles and
Watercolors.
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Thorbjoern Mann, Thorbjoern Mann Consulting, Contact Information

Thorbjoern Mann Biosketch

Educated in Germany and Norway, Architectural training at the Technische
Hochschule München, Germany. (Diploma of Engineering in Architecture).
Master of Architecture, Ph.D. in Architecture, University of California at Berkeley.

Work experience:
Architectural offices in Muenchen, Essen (Germany) and Paris, France
(Major projects: Lycee Technique de Libreville, Gabon; Administration building
for a nuclear power plant; competitions (University Bochum, Urban Center Neuss,
German Expo Montreal, Student Center Mainz, Essen City Hall); research on
space frame and prefabricated concrete building systems);
Chicago (Office of Robertson Ward FAIA: Bennington College science building).
Research Associate with Studiengruppe fuer Systemforschung, Heidelberg
(Information Systems for Planning and Policy-making; Utilization of Higher Education
Resources in Germany.)
Architectural Competitions: School projects (Lüdenscheid, Stadtlohn); Urban design (Münster); Matteson Library (with E. Ots, AIA); Building System for Sustainable
Communities).

Teaching:
UC Berkeley Department of Architecture: Teaching Assistant and Teaching Associate,
University of Singapore School of Architecture,
Florida A&M University School of Architecture in Tallahassee, Florida.
Acting Associate Dean for the FAMU/USF Cooperative Master of Architecture Program
at the University of South Florida in Tampa 1986 - 87. Professor Emeritus since 2000.
Subjects:
Architectural design, design methods and theories, systems building, architectural
facility programming, building economics, thesis planning, drawing, time
management for designers.
Online Continuing Education course on Time Management for Designers.


Involvement in various innovative projects at the periphery of the architectural profession:

Development of industrialized building systems and ‘megastructure’ projects;
design methodology, development of information systems for design and planning;

Development of new study programs and courses in architectural facility programming; architects in government and industry, building economics, time management for designers.

Theory and principles of design, its relationship to scientific research, practical
obstacles to effective design and planning such as time management challenges.

Contributions in these areas are recognized as combining systematic analysis and techniques with imaginative, creative, innovative ideas and approaches. They include:

• the development of a method for systematic assessment of arguments in design;

• a new conceptual framework for discussing architecture (based on occasion and
image);

• the development of a method for estimating cost and performance of building
projects using spreadsheet performance models as design tools during early design
stages;

• concept for new measures of building value based on place adequacy for occasion
and image -- a contribution towards bridging the gap between architecture and
building economics;

• the development of time management tools for designers and approaches for
helping designers overcome time management challenges;

• principles and solutions for downtown urban revitalization.

These ideas have been published in various articles conference presentations and books:
'Argument Assessment for Design Decisions' (Dissertation)
‘Building Economics for Architects’,
‘Time Management for Architects and Designers’;
Chapter 8 on ‘Linking Argumentative Discourse with Formal Objectification
Procedures’ in ‘Knowledge Based Systems for Different Environments’ (eds: Anderson, Bandler, Kohout).
‘The Fog Island Argument’ and
‘Abbé Boulah!’

Books on A New View of Architecture: Place, Occasion, Image,
The Architectural Sketchbook, and the Design Discourse are in progress.

Online continuing education course on Time Management for Designers,
offered through Continuing education provider RedVector.

Research and Consulting experience includes work on:
- Industrialized building systems, space frame concepts, urban density and
megastructures, (with Schulze-Fielitz, Germany)
- Issue Based Information Systems for Design, Planning, Policy
(Studiengruppe fuer Systemforschung, Germany, and Berkeley, California)
- Urban systems pilot study (G. Stoeber, Germany);
- Improved Utilization of Higher Education Resources in Germany
(Studiengruppe fuer Systemforschung, Germany)
- Urban Density (University of California, Berkeley)
- Fire Research Information Systems (University of California, Berkeley)
- Sheet Metal Shell Roofing System, with Schulze-Fielitz, Essen (Germany),
and at Florida A & M University, Tallahassee
- Financial Feasibility Analysis for Florida Department of Law Enforcement
(FAMU Inst. of Building Science, Tallahassee)
- Feasibility Analysis / Proforma Review for a Corporate Office Building
(E. Ots/Fringe Benefits, Tallahassee)
- Programming for Odyssey Science Center for Tallahassee, Florida
(Now Mary Brogan Museum of Art and Science)
- Feasibility Analysis / Pro Forma Review for Student Dormitory Project,
(Leon County Educational Facilities Authority, Tallahassee,)
- ‘Action Learning Center’: Pilot study for Management Training Center Project,
(E. Ots / B. Lay, Motorola University, Chicago)
- Online Continuing Education Course on Time Management for Designers.
- Translation: book ‘Schools for the Future’ by R. Walden (ed.; Professor of Architectural Psychology at Koblenz University, Germany) into English (forthcoming) .

Member, Environmental Design Research Association (EDRA).
Chair and Organizer of 30th Anniversary EDRA conference in Orlando, FL. 1999.

Associate Member, American Institute of Architects until 2000.

Member, Project for Public Places.

Member, Board of Lafayette Park Neighborhood Association, Tallahassee. 2004 - 07

Hobbies include reading (English, Norwegian, German, French), writing, sketching
and art: painting (watercolor and Laqskin technique adapted from work by the late Swiss
painter André Thompkins), sailing; and restoring a 1600 farmhouse in Austria.

Contact
Thorbjoern Mann
email: thormann@nettally.com


 

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Selected Publications by Thorbjoern Mann


“Some Limitations of the Argumentative Model of Design” in: DESIGN METHODS AND THEORIES, Vol 14 No. 1, 1980. Also Published in Polish in the yearbook of the Department of Praxiology, Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland 1983.

“Places and Occasions” in: DESIGN METHODS AND THEORIES, Vol.14. No. 2, 1980.

“Procedural Building Blocks: The Interface Between Argumentative Discourse and Formal Evaluation Procedures in Design” PROCEEDINGS, Eighth European Conference on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna, Austria, 1986.

“Programming for Innovation: The Case of the Planning for Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence”
Paper presented at the EDRA (Environmental Design Research Association) Meeting, Black Mountain, 1989. Published in DESIGN METHODS AND THEORIES, Vol 24, No. 3, 1990

“The Need for Intermediate Level Paradigms,” PROCEEDINGS, Ninth European Meeting on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna, Austria, April 1988.

‘BUILDING ECONOMICS FOR ARCHITECTS’
(1992 New York, Van Nostrand Reinhold, now Wiley & Sons)
A textbook on building economics for architects, exploring the basics of real estate economics as it applies to architectural design, the use of spreadsheet models of cost and economic performance as design tools, and suggestions for building value measures based on building / place adequacy for occasion and image.

“Linking Argumentative Discourse with Formal Objectification Procedures” Chapter 8 in: KNOWLEDGE BASED SYSTEMS FOR MULTIPLE ENVIRONMENTS,
ed. Kohout, Anderson, Bandler. Ashgate, Gower, England.1992.
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“Building Value Measures Based on Quality of Occasion and Image” PROCEEDINGS, Tenth European Meeting on Systems and Cybernetics, Vienna, Austria, 1992.

“Application of the Argumentative Model of Design to an Issue of Local Government”
PROCEEDINGS, Eleventh European Meeting on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna 1994.

“Design as a Guiding Paradigm” PROCEEDINGS, Eleventh European Meeting on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna 1994.

“Images of Government: A Comparative Analysis of Government Buildings in Renaissance Florence.” 1993. Presentation at EDRA (Environmental Design Research Association) Boston, 1995.

“Expert Systems for Design and Planning: Requirements and Expectations” PROCEEDINGS, International Conference on Engineering Design (ICED) 1995, Prague, Czech Republic 1995.

“Notes On the Value of Buildings” PROCEEDINGS, 28th Annual Conference of the Environmental Design Research Association (EDRA) Montreal 1997;

“Integrating Work and Learning in Executive Training Centers: Lessons for Design Studio”
With Barbara Lay, Motorola University, and Enn Ots, Florida A&M University, PROCEEDINGS, EDRA (Environmental Design Research Association) 30th Annual Conference, Orlando, FL. June 1999.

“Action Learning Environments” with E. Ots and B. Lay. PROCEEDINGS, 1999 International Conference on Engineering Design (ICED) Munich, Germany 1999.

“User Survey on Image Preferences for a School of Architecture” 30th Annual Conference of the Environmental Design Research Association (EDRA) Orlando, FL 1999.

‘TIME MANAGEMENT FOR ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS: CHALLENGES AND REMEDIES’
(172 pages, 8.5” x 11”) W.W. Norton, New York 2003. ISBN 0-393-73133-2.
Based on decades of experience working in architectural offices, research and and teaching designers in schools of architecture, the book explores symptoms, consequences, and sources of designers’ time management problems. More details:



“The Triple Corruption of the Design Process” (unpublished 2005)

“Rethinking Evaluation Tools for Educational Environments” Paper and Poster presentation; Abstract in PROCEEDINGS, 37th Annual Conference of Environmental Design Research Association, (EDRA) Atlanta 2006.

“Proposals for the Knight Creative Communities Initiative Tallahahassee” , unpublished, 2007.

‘ABBE BOULAH!’,
Xlibris 2007. 154 pages, Paper or hardback.
ISBN: 978-1-4257-8095-1.

A collection of strange stories, featuring pranks, adventures, cantankerous commentaries with sometimes serious hidden undertones and ideas, by the mysterious Abbé Boulah and his weirdo friends. Tales from the Fog Island Tavern, Bog-Hubert’s schemes, conversations about architecture, urban design and downtown revitalization, mass transit, even a strange utopian community on an abandoned oil rig in the ocean. Illustrated with sketches, doodles and black-and-white images of ‘laqskin’ paintings. More details

‘THE FOG ISLAND ARGUMENT’
Xlibris 2007; 126 pages, paper or hardback.
ISBN: 978-1-4257-6132-5.
This book explores two topics about design, in a conversation format.

The first: Evaluation of arguments used everyday in design, planning and political discourse -- a subject neglected by traditional logic -- presents proposals for their systematic assessment to support design decisions.

The second topic, based on the insight that design arguments contain premises spanning the entire range of types of human knowledge whose validation draws on all approaches to inquiry, suggests a general education course in design, planning, and policy discourse. More details:


To obtain copies of papers and books contact <thormann@nettally.com>

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Book:

“Time Management for Architects and Designers: Challenges and Remedies
by Thorbjoern Mann. (172 pages, 8.5” x 11”) W.W. Norton, New York 2003.
ISBN 0-393-73133-2. Illustrated. PSRP $25
Order from your bookstore or http://www.wwnorton.com, or directly from author:

Drawn from the author’s decades of experience working in architectural offices
and teaching in schools of architecture, the book explores symptoms, consequences,
and sources of designers’ time management problems:

- the designer’s outlook, attitudes, habits and preferences;
- the nature of design problems;
- designers’ approach and work process;
- designers’ physical and social work environment;
- tools used for work and time management.

Illustrated with lighthearted drawings, diagrams and application examples, it
offers exercises designed to help readers explore their individual work or
study situation. Besides suggesting remedies for each specific problem, it helps
designers develop their own strategy and implementation plan for improving their
time management practice, and designing their own time management tool (planner)
to meet their individual requirements.

From a review by David Stembel, AIA, in Design Research News
(Environmental Design Research Association):

“ ... The first chapter is entitled “Do you have time to read this book?”
I did, and would now like to answer for design students and young
professionals: Make the time. ...
“Getting started is one of the biggest time management difficulties.
Get started -- check out this book.”

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Abbé Boulah!
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Book: ‘Abbé Boulah!’
By Thorbjoern Mann

Xlibris 2007. 154 pages, illustrated. Paperback or hardcover.
ISBN: 978-1-4257-8095-1. Order from author, your bookstore , Xlibris or other online sources.

A collection of strange stories featuring pranks, adventures
and cantankerous comments about the mysterious Abbé Boulah
and his weirdo friend Bog-Hubert.

There are tales from the mythical Fog Island Tavern and Bog-Hubert’s
schemes such as his Island Beach and Beauty Restoration enterprise,
the rumors about his secret still in the swamps of North Florida,
(producing the potent “Eau d’Hole”) and various commentaries about
architecture, urban design, downtown revitalization: “The Designer’s Dream’,
‘CRA Sticking in Abbé Boulah’s Craw’ and ‘The T-Square and Bumwaderhole’.

A yarn of strange foulups in the intelligence community (‘Counter Intelligence’),
various unconventional ideas about a mass transit system (‘Tallahaitian Mass Transit’)
are mixed in with Abbé Boulah’s musings about education, (‘Peace Prize Problems’,
The Evolution of Education’, ‘Plaintive Soliloqy’),
Leadership and power (‘Stupid Power’, ‘On Leadership’),
a different take on a recent book regarding the shape of the Earth (’Flat World Rings Hollow’),
presidential elections: ‘Abbé Boulah for Ex-President’),
even a kind of utopia on an abandoned oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico (‘Rigatopia’).

Other pieces contain creatively different views on various global and
societal problems, such as interspecies relations (‘AbbéBug-Lah’),
Mideast problems (‘Holy Coin’), the deplorable lack of imaginative
names for real, imaginary and complex numbers (‘NameYourNumber.zip’)
and other recklessly unconventional ideas and proposals.
But even with a final prank concerning emergency planning in the Sunshine State,
the mystery of ‘Who Is Abbé Boulah?” may never get completely resolved.

Order from Author , XLibris, your bookstore or other online sources.

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Book:

 

The Fog Island Argument

by Thorbjoern Mann, Xlibris 2007; 126 pages, paperback or hardcover.
ISBN: 978-1-4257-6132-5. Order from author, your bookstore, www.Xlibris.com, or online sources.

This book explores two main topics about design, in a ‘Fog Island Tavern’ conversation format.
The first concerns the evaluation of arguments used everyday in design, planning
and political discourse -- a subject neglected by traditional logic -- presents proposals for their systematic assessment to support design decisions.
(The argument assessment approach was developed in T.Mann's 1977 UC Berkeley dissertation on
‘The Assessment of Arguments for Design Decisions’)

The second topic is based on the insight that design arguments contain premises spanning
the entire range of types of human knowledge, whose validation draws on all approaches to human inquiry --
not only, for example, scientific method. A general education course in design, planning,
and policy discourse would therefore be an ideal vehicle for exploring all these forms of inquiry and how they relate to each other.

Contents:

Preface
1 A Missing Link in General Education

2 Some Missing Aspects of Design Science
The Nature and Scope of Design Questions

3 Understanding Design Arguments

4 Design Argument Evaluation
The Parts of Design Arguments
Toulmin’s Diagram
Argument Pattern Evaluation
Plausibility of Argument Premises
Argument Plausibility
Argument Weight
Position Plausibility
Visual Information; Images as Arguments

5 Maps for Discourse Overview:
Topic maps
Issue maps
Argument maps; evaluation worksheet

6 The Design process: Discourse
Principles for Design
The design process: procedures
Single proposal
Several Competing Proposals: Evaluation
Problem
Issue debate / argument assessment
Stumbling Blocks
Stopping Rules

7 A Design Based General Education Course

8 Summary

9 Appendix: Research Agenda

10 References

The argument plausibility space

 

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Thorbjoern Mann Consulting

offers consulting services on

Time Management for architects, designers and other creative people;

The desIgn discourse
the argumentative model of design: Issue Based Information System
the evaluation of arguments in design, planning, policy-making;
issue and argument mapping, organizing the discourse

Architecture:
A new view of architecture and architectural facility programming:
based on place, occasion, image;
building economics for architects.

Problem-solving:
Systematic problem analysis and intuitive approaches
to solution generation and evaluation: (“Ask Abbé Boulah!”)


Contact
Thorbjoern Mann
email: thormann@nettally.com

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Time Management for Designers

Confused?


Struggling to meet deadlines, maintain work quality, get enough sleep, stay sane and healthy
while dealing with the demands of your designers’ work?

Many puzzling and troubling aspects in your work are rooted in time management problems.

In all disciplines, poor time management can reduce work effectiveness, reputation, increase cost and damage health.

But designers have some unique time management challenges
that are not addressed in the general literature on time management.
And no two designer’s time management challenges are exactly alike.

These aspects are the focus of Thorbjoern Mann’s time management writing and consulting.

The book "Time Management for Architects and Designers"
and consulting services offered here can help you
- identify the time management problems in your specific situation,
- suggest remedies, tools and help in
- developing and implementing your individual time management plan.

Many people from other disciplines insist that this discussion of designers' time management problems
really applies to other people as well: in some sense, we are all designers.

The following are some resources for designers' time management:

Designers’ Time Management Challenges: a brief synopsis
Book: Time Management for Architects and Designers
Designers’ Time Management Tool: (Planner)
Consulting: Online or on-site Time Management for Designers;
Presentation / Seminar on Designers' Time Management Challenges;
Online Continuing Education Course: Time Management for Designers (RedVector)
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Designers’ Time Management Challenges: a brief synopsis
About designers’ time management problems and how to deal with them


You are working in a field such as: architectural design, interior design,
industrial design, engineering design, planning; or any other area
where you are frequently tackling non-routine, unique, unprecedented problems.

You are experiencing symptoms such as:
Trouble meeting deadlines? Getting organized? Getting started on projects?
Not knowing when to stop? Feelings of being overworked, not working to your full potential?
Spending too much time looking for information and documents?
More mistakes than normal? Busy all the time but not getting important things done?
Constantly interrupted? Feelings that organization interferes with your creativity?

In short: You are a designer.
And you have time management problems.

You’ve come to the right place for help.
Thorbjoern Mann Consulting offers time management information, help and advice on:

- Understanding designers’ time management problems,
and how these differ from those in other fields
- Recommendations for overcoming such challenges;
- Tools and planners; or guidelines for making your own;
- Recognizing your specific time management problems and their sources,
- Developing effective, comprehensive strategies for
overcoming these challenges.

There is a common perception is that designers are poor time managers.
Experience from decades of studying this issue, working in architectural offices,
and teaching confirms that many designers suffer from time management problems.
But designers just have special time management problems and needs
that have not been adequately recognized and addressed.

There are many books, seminars, and programs aimed at helping the general public
‘get organized’, project managers control their projects with network planning software,
and managers get through their demanding days.

By comparison, little attention has been paid to the special factors
that make designers’ time management particularly challenging.
Most schools merely apply the 'sink or swim' approach to the task
of acquainting students with these problems which are often presented
and accepted as an inevitable part of being a designer,
a result of a presumed basic incompatibility between organization,
orderly process, and designers' intuition and creativity.

That incompatibility is a myth.
So is the supposed inevitability of time management trouble in design.

There are both similarities and significant differences
between the time management challenges of designers
and those prevailing in other areas. But they can all be overcome.

Some key insights and tenets of our approach:

Time management problems in design are not caused by a single variable,
but by many interacting factors.

Therefore, there can be no single ‘silver bullet’ remedy:
a meaningful response will consist of equally many facets.

The combination of those factors is likely to be different for each designer.

The effort to develop meaningful remedies must begin with the analysis
and understanding of each designer’s specific situation.

A coherent effort to improve your designer’s time management will in itself be a design project.

This project must be planned and integrated with an actual work project.
You can learn how to coordinate these into one comprehensive plan:
your personal time management implementation plan.

You are the designer. Your time management remedy will have to be YOUR design.


The following resources can help:

Book: Time Management for Architects and Designers
Designer's Time Management Tool/Planner
Online and on-site Designer's Time Management Consulting
Presentation / Seminar on Designer's Time Management Problems
OnlineContinuing Education Course


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Book:
‘Time Management for Architects and Designers: Challenges and Remedies’
by Thorbjoern Mann. (172 pages, 8.5” x 11”) W.W. Norton, New York 2003.
ISBN 0-393-73133-2. Illustrated. PSRP $25
Order from your bookstore or http://www.wwnorton.com. or directly from author.


Drawn from the author’s decades of experience working in architectural offices
and teaching in schools of architecture, the book explores symptoms, consequences,
and sources of designers’ time management problems, such as:
- the designer’s outlook, attitudes, habits and preferences;
- the nature of design problems;
- designers’ approach and work process;
- designers’ physical and social work environment;
- tools used for work and time management.

Illustrated with lighthearted drawings, diagrams and application examples, it
offers exercises designed to help readers explore their individual work or
study situation. Besides suggesting remedies for each specific problem, it helps
designers develop their own strategy and implementation plan for improving their
time management practice, and designing their own time management tool (planner) to meet their individual requirements.


From a review by David Stembel, AIA, in Design Research News
(Environmental Design Research Association):
“ ... The first chapter is entitled “Do you have time to read this book?”
I did, and would now like to answer for design students and young
professionals: Make the time. ...
“Getting started is one of the biggest time management difficulties. Get started -- check out this book.”


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Designers’ Time Management Tool (planner)

The unique time management challenges faced by designers call for a time management tool
or ‘planner’ with specific features that most products of this kind
on the market do not offer. It was therefore necessary to develop a tool
specifically for these requirements:

• accommodating several simultaneous projects,
allowing the user to work on their schedules side by side;
• facilitating overview,
• working on several different parts of the tool at the same time;
• keeping all parts for planning, scheduling, keeping track together in one binder.

The tool is available now for 2008, in standard 8.5” x 11” format.
Its main components are:

• long-term project coordination calendar foldout sheets
showing nine separate projects or activity categories,

• weekly project coordination, planning and log sheets
with space for to-do lists and notes,

• separate project planning foldout sheets.

The long-term calendar sheets fold out to the left, the project planning sheets to the right,
to provide simultaneous overview of calendar, weekly schedule, notes, and project planning sheets.

In addition, there are pages for goals and objectives, address and
business card files, diskette holders, notes and a user manual.

The tool aims at helping designers

- Clarify and articulate their values, goals, objectives, corresponding activities;
- Plan and coordinate multiple simultaneous projects;
- Plan and schedule daily and weekly activities for each project;
- Keep track of these activities
(what actually happened, compared to what was planned);
- Maintain simultaneous overview of long-term calendar, weekly schedules and specific project planning sheets

The standard version of the tool is available now for 2008 -- Order

The tool can also be customized to your specifications.
For more information contact <thormann@nettally.com>


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Online Time Management Consulting for Designers

Online consulting services are offered in several formats or packages.
They form a set of increasingly detailed layers of services that can be
obtained individually,in sequence, or as a complete package.
For details contact Thorbjoern Mann at <thormann@nettally.com>


Note:
Network planning and scheduling (critical path method) will not be offered here, since
many other good resources (books, software, etc.) are available for this technique
which however is of limited use in design projects involving unprecedented tasks, where
experience data for time estimates are unavailable.



 

On-Site Time Management for Designers
is available upon request. For information contact Thorbjoern Mann at thormann@nettally.com



 

Online Continuing Education Course
An online continuing education course ‘Time Management for Designers’ (5 CEcr.)
by Thorbjoern Mann is available through RedVector.com

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Seminar / Presentation “Time Management for Designers"
by Thorbjoern Mann


The presentation discusses the special time management challenges faced by designers
in professions such as architecture, interior design,landscape architecture, planning,
and others.

These problems are sufficiently different from those discussed in the many books and seminars
on time management aimed at either managers or the general public interested in ‘getting organized’.

And they are a basis for widespread perceptions that many designers are poor time managers -- perceptions reinforced by the tradition of ‘all-nighters’ in offices and schools of architecture, and the expectation that designers will often have trouble meeting deadlines.

Symptoms, consequences, sources and causes of designers’ time management problems will be examined,
together with a number of remedies.
The discussion will show that these difficulties are not caused by one single variable
but by many factors originating in the work designers do (the nature of design problems),
the way designers approach their work (process), the work environment -- both physical workplace,
filing provisions, and social work setting, as well as the
habits and frailties of designers themselves. Each designer’s situation will be
different in the particular combination of such factors.

This means that while there are helpful rules, techniques and guidelines for individual conditions,
there can be no single ‘silver bullet’ remedy. Meaningful responses must begin with
the analysis of each designer’s specific situation, and consist of a coherent strategy for
putting improvements in place, as a project to be planned and implemented in its own right,
but integrated into actual ‘work’ projects.

Interaction with participants will identify the topics of greatest concern for the
particular group. The subsequent discussion will then focus on those topics, offer suggestions
for carrying out the analysis of individual designers’ situation and to then develop effective, realistic
implementation plans for turning poor time management practices into more productive habits,
including the design of useful time management tools (‘planners’) serving the special needs of designers.


The presentation includes diagrams, examples of time management tools and their use,
and will be enlivened by lighthearted drawings.
The material is in part drawn from the book

“Time Management for Architects and Designers” by Thorbjoern Mann.

Duration will be approximately sixty to ninety minutes depending on discussion and questions.

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The Design Discourse: Consulting services


Design discourse information support and management

Issue Based Information System (IBIS) supporting the planning process

Argument assessment for design, planning, policy decisions

Issue Maps, Argument Maps


Design as an Argumentative Process

Following the pioneering work of H. Rittel (†), design is seen as an 'argumentative'
process in which proposals are developed, put forward and discussed, questions are raised
to be answered and resolved; these can become controversial issues. Arguments 'pro' and 'con'
proposals and issue positions are offered, and must be 'weighed' to settle the issues and
reach decisions. In projects and controversies involving many parties with differing opinions,
needs and concerns, constructive resolution is often hampered by well-known obstacles:


- complexity and multitude of issues, arguments and concerns
(which make it difficult to maintain overview)

- animosity and arguments that do not adress the problem
(rhetoric, ‘namecalling’, personal attacks)

- parties’ early commitment to solutions before the problem is fully understood;

- inadequate information, poor argument evaluation and decision-making process.

An additional, not as well known and understood obstacle is the following:
Traditional argument analysis (e.g. formal logic) has focused on offering guidance
for assessing whether arguments are constructed according to 'valid' patterns
that guarantee ‘true' conclusions when all premises are true. Logic has neglected
the analysis of the typical design or planning arguments used in design discourse,
which do not meet such validity standards. From a formal logic point of view, they are
at best 'inconclusive', and the 'ought' recommendation of a design proposal is not
'true' or 'false' in the same sense as the conclusion of a valid syllogism.

Design decisions can therefore not rely on a single valid, ‘clinching’ argument,
but must be reached by 'weighing' a large number of ‘pro’ and ‘con’ arguments --
a commonplace expression for which few if any coherent explanations are available about
how it is or should be done. A procedure for the assessment of such argument has been presented
in 'Assessment of Arguments for Design Decisions' (Dissertation, T. Mann, Berkeley 1977),
and 'The Fog Island Argument', T. Mann, Xlibris 2007), and discussed in various papers >>> See Publications.

Together with a variety of tools for the collection and organization of information
for the planning discourse, the display of issues and arguments for convenient overview,
and analysis of participants' argument assessments, this forms the basis of a set of services
designed at supporting the design, planning and policy-making process.

(Note that this approach should not be seen as a kind of 'expert system' to substitute for
or usurp the human judgment of participants. All results are human judgments that merely are
examined in systematic detail and made more explicit and transparent.)

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Consulting services
to support the design / planning / policy-making process include the following:

Organization of 'issue based' information / documentation systems (IBIS) accompanying and supporting the process;

Development of procedural tools to structure and guide the process;

Preparation of overview 'issue maps' of the discourse, the relationships between issues,

Analysis of arguments and other contributions,

Preparation of ‘argument maps' and argument evaluation tools (forms).

(These can be combined with consulting for the development of ideas and solution generation

based on systematic problem analysis.)

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Presentation / seminar: The Assessment of Arguments in the Design Discourse

The presentation addresses some questions held to be significant beyond the scope
of the design professions proper, based on the view of design, planning and political discourse
as an argumentative process.

This view implies that design issues should be decided on the merit of arguments, raising the question
of how argument merit properly should be assessed. How can the process we call “weighing the pros and cons”
be made into more than a mere figure of speech but a process that might reliably and systematically
support design decisions?

The question is significant because formal logic, customarily relied upon for argument analysis
does not have much to say about arguments typically occurring in the design discourse: -- called
‘Standard Design Argument’ -- which are formally inconclusive. So design has no option but
weighing the pro and con arguments, however deficient they may seem from the point of view of logic.

The discussion starts by examining the parts of the Standard Design Argument:
the factual-instrumental premise, the factual condition premise, and the deontic (ought) premise,
that support the design proposal (another deontic or ‘ought’ proposition) that constitutes the 'conclusion'.

The inconclusiveness of the argument form stems mainly from the fact that the deontic premise
as well as the conclusion cannot be evaluated in terms of ‘truth’. Instead, judgments
(about all these propositions) are expressed as degrees of plausibility. The argument pattern
itself and its applicability to the case at hand may be included in the assessment.
The plausibility of the entire argument is a function of all these judgments.

A measure of position support is derived from the argument plausibility and weight of relative importance
of the deontic premise. Argument weight is a function of the importance of its deontic premise and
argument plausibility. All argument weights together make up the position plausibility or position support.

Individual judgments can be aggregated into indicators of group sentiment, measures of extent of agreement
or disagreement in the group, or indicators of lack of information or lack of relevance.

The discussion addresses requirements for information systems to adequately support this process, and
the formalization needed to construct concise argument assessment forms, as well as formulae for
aggregating argument weights, position support plausibility and statistics from individual judgments.

Lastly, the presentation takes up the issue of the design process and the rules and sequences
of steps needed. The role of intuition, invention and design creativity in this process is clarified.

The discussion returns to the point that design, seen in this light, is present in many fields other
than those commonly designated ‘design professions’, and the proposed improvements for the
process could be significant for those fields, including policy-making in the political arena.
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Resources
for discourse management, argument assessment, information support:



Book: ‘The Fog Island Argument
by Thorbjoern Mann
Xlibris 2007

Papers
“Some Limitations of the Argumentative Model of Design” in: DESIGN METHODS AND THEORIES, Vol 14 No. 1, 1980.
Also Published in Polish in the yearbook of the Department of Praxiology, Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw, Poland 1983.

“Procedural Building Blocks:
The Interface Between Argumentative Discourse and Formal Evaluation Procedures in Design”
PROCEEDINGS, Eighth European Conference on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna, Austria, 1986.

“Linking Argumentative Discourse with Formal Objectification Procedures”
Chapter 8 in: KNOWLEDGE BASED SYSTEMS FOR MULTIPLE ENVIRONMENTS,
ed. Kohout, Anderson, Bandler. Ashgate, Gower, England.1992.

“Application of the Argumentative Model of Design to an Issue of Local Government”
PROCEEDINGS, Eleventh European Meeting on Cybernetics and Systems, Vienna 1994.

“Expert Systems for Design and Planning: Requirements and Expectations” PROCEEDINGS, International Conference on Engineering Design (ICED) 1995, Prague, Czech Republic 1995.

For copies of papers contact thormann@nettally.com

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Baffled by unprecedented, complex problems for which your
experience, education and textbooks don’t have ready solutions?

Help is available: systematic problem analysis
combined with intuitive as well as systematic approaches
can generate a creative variety of conceptually different
and interesting problem solutions:

“Ask Abbé Boulah!” Problem-Solving Service
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We are often confronted with problems of various kinds, at different times in our lives.
Our education, professional training and other life experiences prepare us
to take charge of most of the problems we encounter and to solve them as we go.

But some problems are not like anything we have learned to cope with.
We feel ‘dead in our tracks’, unable to move; don’t even know where to start finding a solution.

The many ‘advice’ columns in the newspapers or call-in programs demonstrate this.
But not all problems are concise enough to fit into a newspaper column.
So, at the other end of the spectrum, we find the many counseling services
where people can go to talk about their problems with analysts and counselors.
Asking for help is always a good idea.

"ASK ABBÉ BOULAH" offers problem-solving help with a different approach.
It provides a sounding board for the first step: describing your problem. Thinking about it
clearly enough to communicate and describe it, often can clarify what the solution should be.

However, if the problem -- especially if it’s one of those Professor Rittel called ‘wicked problems’ --
requires more work, you might benefit from a set of special tools to analyze the problem
and develop a solution.

Finding a viable solution requires understanding of what causes it,
of the necessary conditions for its occurrence and its contributing factors.

You’ll get help understanding the type of problem you are up against.
Systematic problem description and analysis can be turned right around to generate solution ideas:
Not only one answer, but many different ways of looking at the problem,
each with an array of possible solutions.

You may need help researching information pertinent to your problem,
and this too will often reveal available solutions.
If this produces several different possible answers, you may need help with
clarifying what would constitute an appropriate or ‘good’ solution:
evaluating alternative solution proposals.
Systematic approaches for this can help in different ways:
they can show you how to select the ‘best’ of several possible answers; or
they can clarify how proposed but not yet satisfactory answers might be improved to meet expectations.

Finally, you may look for help making decisions and implementing your solution.

Many problems are not ‘fixed’ with one single decision or action, but require
a sequence of steps, some of which might depend on the outcome of previous steps and other conditions.
If this is your situation, the service can help you develop such an action plan, get it underway,
and monitor its progress until you have reached a satisfactory result.


Note:
"ASK ABBÉ BOULAH" will not offer advice on issues whose treatment falls into the domain of licensed professionals.



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occasion and image in architecture

Architectural and Predesign Consulting

Note:
Architectural services requiring professional architectural licensing are not offered here.
Rather, the focus is on those aspects of clarifying for the professional architect
what will be needed,before the actual design process can begin: specifying activities and functions
for which the architect will then design the building’s spaces; giving the architect a sense of
who the owner and the users are and what they expect the building to do for them,
beyond the mere provision of square footage.

This ‘predesign analysis’ service offers a unique, innovative approach
based on the concepts of ‘occasion’ and ‘image’, which can be combined
with the analysis of economic performance and feasibility.


The following resources are offered:

Introduction to new view of architecture -- synopsis


Consulting:
Occasion and Image Programming
(an innovative variation of architectural facility programming):

Presentation / Seminar:
“A New View of Architecture: Place, Occasion and Image”

Book: Occasion and Image in Architecture (in progress)

Building Economics / Financial Feasibility Analysis
Book: Building Economics for Architects

Presentation / Seminar:
Measures of Building Value Based on Occasion and Image



 

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OCCASION AND IMAGE IN ARCHITECTURE : A NEW VIEW OF ARCHITECTURE

You need spaces in buildings but don’t know what to call them?
You would like your building project not just to serve the planned functions
but become a place that engages and inspires people, --
but you don’t know how to even talk about that?
Worried about the building fitting your or your organization’s image?

A new approach to architectural programming and design can help.
It is based on the concepts of ‘occasion’
(the events and elements of human activities that make up our lives)
and ‘image’
(the guiding concepts of who we are or want to be, what we are doing
and thus what kind of building or place will be needed for that):
It can help you tell the designer what to design -- or what kind of designer to hire...

Here is a synopsis of key concepts and principles:



Architecture is the process of designing and providing

PLACES

(buildings, environments)
that will accommodate the human

OCCASIONS

which constitute our lives in such a way as to enhance those occasions
not only by facilitating and allowing them to occur smoothly in a functional sense,
but also by strengthening, clarifying and sustaining the

IMAGE

of who we are, who we should (try to) become, and what we are doing
or should be doing.

Key principles implied in this view are the following:

Designing for occasions
Places should be designed to
a) accommodate desirable occasions
-- both functionally required activities and incidental ‘in-between’ occasions:
to allow the activities involved to be carried out comfortably, smoothly and efficiently;
but also
b) prevent or discourage undesirable occasions.


Understanding occasions
Therefore, architects must establish, validate and understand
the set of occasions for which they will design.


Validate occasion program
The set of desirable occasions: the ‘occasion program’ must be established
and validated for each new project in cooperation with client, users, and the public.


Occasion opportunity density
Built environments should offer a high occasion opportunity density:
a choice of many desirable occasions.


Ease of transition
Transition, switching between desirable occasions should be easy and smooth


Avoiding Barriers
Avoid designs that place significant physical or psychological barriers between desirable occasions.
(Exception: place design should prevent undesirable activities by making the transition
from desirable occasions to undesirable, e.g. criminal activities as difficult and unlikely as possible.)


Places visibly inviting occasions
Buildings and places must visibly signal to users how they might be used:
they should invite users through their design to engage in occasions, explore and develop new occasions;
mere 'neutral space' that does not trigger users' imagination about what to do there
will remain barren, uninviting and uninspiring.


Image consonance
The design of a place should evoke imagery (place image)
that is compatible, consistent and supportive of the images held by users, (occasion participants)
of who they are or should be (participant, client, user image)
and what they are doing (occasion image):
the images for the three components should be consonant, not discordant.


New opportunities compatible with user values
By offering new occasion opportunities and imagery in the designed places, the architect may suggest
different, more interesting and desirable ways of living, new, more satisfying occasions,
more satisfying images that challenge the validity of conventional occasions and imagery.
However, new possibilities and ways of understanding who we are must remain opportunities
that users can take advantage of or decline: they should not be forced to engage in occasions
or to accept imagery that is at odds with their own fundamental beliefs and values.


Connection between past and future
In the choice of vocabulary with which a design evokes image and conveys occasion opportunities,
architecture must begin with engaging users and viewers with concepts they already understand and accept.
Then it can offer, even challenge them to explore new ways of understanding and living.
The design must make understandable, attractive connections between the past, the present, and the future.


Establish discourse
These goals can only be achieved if client, programmer, designer, users, and the public
are engaged in a constructive discourse for the task of programming and designing significant new buildings.
The purpose of this discourse is to establish and validate the assumptions regarding
the occasion and image program for the project; they should not be imposed by the programmer or architect.


Architectural appreciation occasions
No matter how much the designer may be convinced that the architectural occasions
(occasions merely involving appreciation of the architecture) contribute significantly
significantly to the value and quality of the functional requirement occasions, it is the designer’s
responsibility to make this connection clear and convincing to the viewer.
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Presentation / Seminar:
A New View of Architecture: Place, Occasion, Image

The presentation proposes a conceptual framework for carrying out the architectural discourse
that aims at remedying some of the recurrent difficulties in that discourse and resulting discrepancies
in contemporary architecture.

The problem -- the discrepancies between the aspirations of architectural design and the expectations
(often dismissed as ‘mundane’) by other participants in the process of procuring and using buildings
is seen as one of communication. Specifically, they are seen as rooted in the choice of conceptual
frame of reference (‘ways of talking’) for the discourse.

Several common ‘ways of talking’ about architecture, and their implications and shortcomings are examined.
A new frame of reference is proposed to provide a commonly understood basis for discussion.
Its key concepts: ‘place’, ‘occasion’ and ‘image’ are explained and exemplified.

For ‘occasion’, additional distinctions are offered, such as ‘macro’- and ‘micro’ occasions;
‘functional requirement occasions’ and ‘incidental’ or ‘in-between occasions’;
‘use occasions’ and ‘architectural appreciation occasions’, desirable and undesirable occasions;
'Occasion opportunity, ‘occasion opportunity density’; and ‘ease of transition’ between occasions.

Various common interpretations of ‘image’ are discussed: ranging from common understanding
as ‘bold, striking forms or shapes’, or the image profiles resulting from ‘Semantic Differential’ surveys.
The proposed sense of ‘image’ is a more holistic one, evoking and encapsulating a way of life
in the manner of a story but often summarized in a brief word or phrase.

The validity of the approach is tested by using it for the interpretation of a number of Renaissance buildings in Florence, Italy.

The discussion then explores how the approach can be used in practice:

in architectural programming and design,

urban design, post-occupancy evaluation,

the construction of new measures of the value of buildings
(helping to close the gap between building economics and the ‘art’ of architecture).

Implications and suggestions for architectural criticism and education as well as research are examined.
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PLACE, OCCASION AND IMAGE IN ARCHITECTURE (forthcoming book)

The occasion / image view of architecture underlying this new approach
to design and programming is described in a forthcoming book:
A series of discussions examines shortcomings of much of contemporary architecture, suggests more productive ways of viewing and talking about architecture and explores the implications of adopting this approach for design, programming, criticism, research and education. Pre-publication copy now available from the author: contact <thormann@nettally.com>
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BUILDING ECONOMICS / FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS

The design and construction of a new building is a demanding process. One key concern for the owner is the task of estimating expected costs and balancing these against available resources and the desired benefits or economic returns.
Important decisions about buildings are often made at the stage of
feasibility analysis stage -- before architects are even involved in the discussion.
Potential contributions by architects -- how ideas different from those
governing the feasibility analysis might change the outcome -- are therefore
often not brought to bear on these decisions, to the detriment of the projects.

The reason is often that variables describing even the most schematic
design alternatives do not enter the feasibility calculations.

The answer proposed here -- explained in the book
‘Building Economics for Architects’ by Thorbjoern Mann
(Van Nostrand Reinhold, New York 1992, now Wiley&Sons) --
is to develop spreadsheet programs simple enough to examine the strategic decisions to be made at the feasibility analysis stage, but detailed enough to describe schematic design alternatives.
These can become analysis and decision-making tools informing
the design process itself, not just checking its consequences afterwards.

You, the client, may have done this feasibility analysis already -- or are looking for help: this consulting service can provide that as well.

But: You have a feeling that the standard emphasis on location,
function, square footage, cost-cutting and juggling financing
is missing the point of just what value you are getting in a building?

The approach described in the section on “Occasion/Image Programming” suggests that building value depends on:
- the number and value of occasions that can occur in a place
(occasion opportunity potential);
- the functional adequacy of the place for each occasion; and
- the adequacy of the image evoked by the building design
in view of your desired image of yourself or your organization)

To analyze your needs, program in view of these considerations,
and use these concepts to evaluate proposed designs,
contact Thorbjoern Mann at <thormann@nettally.com>.
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Presentation / seminar
Occasion and Image in Architecture and the Question of Building Value

The presentation addresses the perceived gap between the art of architecture and economics, specifically: the microeconomic aspects of value and valuation of space in buildings: the frequent discrepancy
between what builders, building owners, users expect from buildings, and what architectural designers feel they are or should be contributing.

(It does not discuss macroeconomic issues e.g. of the role of the construction industry in the general economy ,or relationships between different cost and benefit components of buildings such as initial construction vs. energy consumption vs. maintenance costs).

This gap is perhaps best manifested in the different approaches to measuring the value of buildings and places in buildings: a gap so deep that the very notion of measurement of economic value
often is anathema to the architectural designer, whereas that value is at the center of decision making
for most of the other participants in the process.

The problem is seen as one of communication, rooted in the choice of conceptual framework for the design discourse. The discussion begins by examining the vocabulary used to conduct the architectural discourse,
as well as the shortcomings of those ‘ways of talking’, which include the difficulties of communication between architects and others about the role of architectural design in view of economic decisions.

A frame of reference is presented that aims at overcoming these difficulties, centered on the concepts of ‘place’, ‘occasion’ and ‘image’: concepts that should be more easily understood by all participants.

Following a survey of conventional approaches to the task of measuring the value of buildings
in building economics and real estate, -- the ‘cost’ method, the ‘market’ method, and the ‘income’ method, --
the latter is selected as a promising basis for a common approach and applied to the concepts of occasion


The value of a place in a building is seen to be a function of the value of
the occasions it accommodates, (respectively of the income or benefit derived from these occasions),
the functional adequacy of the place for those occasions, and
the image appropriateness of place design in view of the occasion and the self-image of participants.

Implications for the practice of programming and designing buildings, urban design, research, criticism, and education are outlined as part of the challenge to adopt and refine this framework or develop better ways to communicate about design.

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Duration will be between 60 and 90 minutes depending on audience interaction, questions, and discussion.

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Art by Thorbjoern Mann

Laqskin paintings
Drawings / Sketches
Watercolor
Doodles

Laqskins

Looking for original, unique art?

Look at these paintings in the ‘laqskin’ technique
('lacquerskin' oil-based enamels on water transferred to paper or board)
spearheaded by the late Swiss artist André Thompkins in the 1960’s.
The process produces paintings with delicate textures
evoking natural flows and surfaces, spaces filled with light
that combine the serendipity and randomness of flows
with the larger, sign-like gestures of the overall composition
into evocative images inviting exploration, imagination and meditation.
The following is a selection of laqskin pictures available in the original
(size and price as noted) or as 8” x 10” digital prints.

For more examples of laqskin paintings contact T. Mann: <thormann@nettally.com>

Note that the display of the digital pictures on your monitor
may show colors and brightness varying slightly from the original.
Prices are inclusive of taxes, handling and shipping (USPS priority).

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LQ483 Untitled Composition 22”x30” (2007)
Original $400
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LQ482 Laqskin (oil on paper) Untitled 24”x36” (2007)
Original $ 500
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LQ 478 Laqskin (oil on paper) (2007) 24” x 36”
Original $600
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LQ472 Laqskin (oil on paper) 2007 18”x23”.
Original $400
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LQ 476 Laqskin (oil on paper) 2007 (24”x36”
Original $ 500
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LQ 462 Laqskin (oil on paper) Untitled 2006 (11”x14”)
Original $ 300
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LQ 450 Laqskin (oil on paper) Transitions II (14”x11”)
Original $ 350
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LQ 409 Laqskin (oil on paper) 2006 (14”x11”)
Original $ 300
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Currently being revised: pages on:
Drawings
Doodles
Watercolors


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Art

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Books

Time Management For Architects and Designers
ISBN 0-393-73133-2, (paperback) W.W. Norton, New York 2003. 172 pages 8”x10”
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Time Management Tool for Designers

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“Abbé Boulah!” (XLibris 2007), ISBN 978-1-4257-8095-1. 154 pages, illustr.
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“The Fog Island Argument” (Xlibris 2007) ISBN 978-1-4257-6132-5. 126 pages,ill.
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LQ 483 Unframed US$400
LQ 482 Unframed US$500
LQ 478 Unframed US$600
LQ 472 Unframed US$400
LQ 476 Unframed US$500
LQ 462 Unframed US$300
LQ 450 Unframed US$350
LQ 409 Unframed US$300

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